Goshuin Ledger

Why the dates in your goshuincho are out of order, and how to keep visit-date order without redoing the book

Dates that jump back and forth in a goshuincho are neither a mistake in the book nor a discourtesy. You pasted a kakioki in afterwards, you took a different goshuincho on a different day, a page you had left empty was written on later, or some goshuin carry no date at all — all of these happen as a matter of course, and there is no nationwide rule that the pages of a book must follow visit-date order. Leave the book as it is, without re-pasting anything, and keep a list outside it with the book, the page and the visit date: then you can look back in visit-date order and in page order alike.

Published: by 友田 陽大 (the developer of Goshuin Ledger)

The key points of this article

  • Dates out of order usually come from a kakioki, from using more than one book, from a page left empty, or from a goshuin with no date — none of them is a mistake
  • There is no nationwide rule that a book's pages must follow visit-date order. If it concerns you, ask at that shrine or temple before they write
  • Peeling a pasted kakioki off to paste it again easily damages the paper, and the pages of an accordion book cannot be swapped
  • For visit-date order, keep a list outside the book with the book, the page and the visit date — the book itself stays untouched

This article is about one situation: the dates inside a goshuincho running back and forth instead of in order. It does not go into how to choose a goshuincho, or the tools for pasting a kakioki in.

Should you fix a goshuincho whose dates are out of order?

There is no need to. There is no nationwide rule that the pages of a book must follow visit-date order, and dates fall out of order for one of the reasons in the next section, as a matter of course.

If you want to look back in visit-date order, the reliable way is not to work on the book but to keep a list outside it with the book, the page and the visit date. The book stays as it was when you received each goshuin, and the list can be sorted by visit date or by page order.

Four common reasons the dates fall out of order

Most cases come down to one of these four. Once you know which one applies to your book, it is easier to decide how to build the list.

  1. You pasted a kakioki in afterwards. A kakioki is a goshuin written on a sheet of paper before your visit. You usually paste it in once you are home, so its place in the book follows the order you pasted, not the order you visited. Let a few pile up and paste them together, and the dates jump by that much more. Why goshuin come on paper is covered in "Why your goshuin came on a loose sheet of paper".
  2. You took a different goshuincho on a different day. You keep separate books for shrines and for temples, you took a small book on a trip, or you forgot your book that day and received a kakioki — goshuin from days like these do not continue the usual book.
  3. A page you had left empty was written on later. What gets written on is the page you open when you hand the book over. A later goshuin can end up on a page you had kept empty, for instance for a goshuin written across a spread.
  4. Some goshuin carry no date. In some forms, such as the nōkyōchō carried around a pilgrimage, the brushwork leaves the visit date out (what each pilgrimage or temple does differs). With no date, you cannot infer the order from the goshuin either side. How to keep the dates of stacked seals is covered in "A nokyocho carries no date".

Before you rearrange anything: no re-pasting, no swapping pages

We would not peel a pasted kakioki off to paste it again. Washi and hanshi paper can lift at the surface along with the glue as you peel, and once the brushwork or the red seal on top is damaged, it cannot be put back.

An accordion book is one long sheet folded up, so its pages cannot be swapped at all. In a stitched book, undoing the thread to reorder the sheets is bookbinding work.

The order of the pages is itself a trace of when, in which book and in what form you received each goshuin. If anything is to be corrected, correct the list, and leave the book as it is — that is the handling that costs you least.

Make a visit-date list outside the book

The list needs four columns: book, page, visit date, and the shrine or temple. Add a mark for kakioki pasted in afterwards, and you can tell which goshuin the pages either side cannot be used to date.

Way to make it Effort Sorting Suits
A paper list (a notebook, or the last page of the book) Written by hand, one entry at a time Not possible. You end up rewriting it in visit-date order Readers with few books, who can write an entry each time they receive one
A spreadsheet Typed in, one entry at a time Sorts on the visit-date column Readers with many books, who want to filter by conditions
An app that builds records from photos Import the photos, then check the visit date and the shrine or temple Follows the app's own ordering Readers with photos already piling up

Whatever you use, decide first how pages are counted (a spread as 1, or a single face as 1) and keep it the same in every book. Choosing the columns for a spreadsheet is covered in "Keeping goshuin in a spreadsheet: the columns to use", and giving your books running numbers in "When your goshuincho multiply".

When some goshuin have no known visit date

A date you do not know still gets an estimated date and goes in the same order. Leave it blank and push it to the end, and it becomes hard to find when you go back to look into it. Write down that it is an estimate, and what it rests on (the capture date of a photo, the pages either side), in a separate column or a note.

The pages either side give you a clue to the visit date in a book you filled in order, but not for a page you pasted a kakioki onto later. How to follow the clues is in "When was this goshuin?", and what to do with a kakioki whose date is blank is in "The date on your kakioki goshuin is blank. Do you write it in yourself?".

In the app we make

In Goshuin Ledger, the app we make, the order within a book and the visit-date order are held separately. Within a book, entries follow page order, and the Up and Down buttons swap pages, so you can keep the same order as the book in your hands. In “Your records” on the Records tab, goshuin are listed by visit date, Newest first or Oldest first, so you can look back in visit-date order without moving anything in the book.

  • Importing a photo puts its capture date in as the starting visit date. A photo taken afterwards has a capture date later than the visit, so correct it to the date written on the goshuin before you add it to a book.
  • You can note how each goshuin was given — written in the book or pre-written. It is not a ranking; it is a marker for the goshuin whose neighbouring pages cannot be used to date them.

The first book needs no purchase and takes as many records as you like, and adding imported photos to a book one at a time needs none either. A second book and beyond, and adding two or more photos to a book at once, come with the one-time Ledger Full purchase; the range it covers is set out in the pricing section, and the App Store shows the current price.

The whole procedure for sorting out a pile of photos is in "Goshuin photos piled up on your phone: organise them by place, visit date and book".

Frequently asked questions

Can I paste a kakioki I got later onto an earlier empty page, so that it falls in visit-date order?
There is no nationwide rule. Some people leave empty pages and paste sheets in date order; others paste each one after the last. Either way, what you will be unsure of later is which goshuin is from when, so writing the visit date in a list outside the book matters more than where on the page it goes. If you want to know how a particular shrine or temple sees it, ask there.
Is it rude to hand over a goshuincho whose dates are out of order?
There is no nationwide rule asking visitors to keep their pages in order. What gets written on is the page you open when you hand the book over. If an empty page earlier in the book, or an older date on a later page, bothers you, it is enough to ask before you hand it over: “Could you write on this page, please?”
I have been using two goshuincho side by side, and I can no longer tell which came first.
Write a book number and the date you started it inside the front cover, and the list can then point to a book by number instead of by name. For two books used side by side, you do not need to settle which came first: write the order within each book and the visit dates in the list, and that is enough. How to number your books as they multiply is covered in the article on owning several goshuincho.
My goshuincho has no page numbers. How do I count pages so the list can say which page?
Pick one way of counting and use it in every book: either a spread counts as 1, or a single face counts as 1. For an accordion book, settle the back as well — for example, count the first face from the front as 1 and carry the count on when you turn over to the back. A kakioki counts as the page it is pasted on.
Where in the list does a goshuin with an unknown visit date go?
Enter an estimated date, note that it is an estimate and what it rests on, and keep it in the same order as the rest. Leave it blank and push it to the end, and it becomes hard to find when you go back to look into it. How to follow the clues to a date is set out in the article on losing track of a visit date.